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captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> ifill: good evening. i'm gwen ifill. >> woodruff: and i'm judy woodruff. >> ifill: on the newshour tonight: american tragedies-- protests across the u.s. as turmoil over race and justice shake the nation. >> woodruff: also ahead: our politics monday duo take on how racial tensions could shape the presidential race, plus, looking ahead to vice president picks and a big expected endorsement. >> ifill: and, we start our series "the end of aids?" in san francisco, where the country's most ambitious campaign to control the disease faces very real challenges. >> i'm not really being too much on the responsible end for my meds or for my relationship. i am just trying to make it day by day.
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>> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> ifill: the nation is still grappling tonight with a series of tragedies: recent police killings of black men, and the sniper attack in dallas. it follows a long weekend of crowds confronting police, and of mass arrests. protesters are taking to the streets across the country. but in dallas, the anger is tempered by grief for the five officers killed thursday night. police chief david brown said today he is "running on fumes." >> my brain is fried. the memorization it takes to run a major city police department
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just on a normal process day-- with all things that happen-- is overwhelming. so this transpiring-- along with the normal things that are continuing to happen in the city-- is difficult at best. >> ifill: doctors who tried to save thursday's victims grew emotional at a hospital news conference today. >> this killing, it has to stop. black men dying and being forgotten, people retaliating against the people that are sworn to defend us, we have to come together and end all this. >> ifill: meanwhile, detectives are reviewing more than 170 hours of body camera video, plus 300 witness and officer statements. they're searching for more background on micah johnson, the gunman who opened fire during a protest. his parents told "the blaze" website today that his time in the army reserve was "not what
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he thought it would be". they say he changed from a fun- loving extrovert into a "hermit." johnson died after a lengthy standoff with police. chief brown said today he has no regrets about the decision to kill him with a robot-delivered bomb. >> we knew through negotiations this was the suspect because he was asking how many did he get. and he was telling us how many more he wanted to kill. this wasn't an ethical dilemma for me. i'd do it again. >> ifill: in baton rouge, louisiana, authorities arrested nearly 200 protesters demonstrating over the killing of alton sterling-- captured on video last week-- apparently by two officers. among those arrested: prominent "black lives matter" activist deray mckesson, who was released sunday. >> the only people that were violent last saturday night were the baton rouge police department, the protesters remain peaceful both here and across the country. again, i remain deeply disappointed in the baton rouge
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police department, and i'm >> ifill: last night, baton rouge officers in riot gear kept protesters from entering interstate 110-- with what activists described as heavy- handed tactics. hundreds also marched over the weekend in st. paul, minnesota, where philando castile was shot to death during a traffic stop. 21 officers were injured saturday night. today, city leaders said they were caught off guard. >> the folks that were out there will all tell you that the restraint that our officers showed was second to none, but at some point when our officers are being bombarded by concrete and rebar to the point where they are being injured they needed to respond. >> ifill: but community activist robin hickman said she wasn't surprised at all. >> we don't have relationships with our young people, our people who are just fed up, just have no hope. that's what you're going to get. >> ifill: demonstrators also
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tried to block highways in memphis and los angeles. back in dallas, police chief brown had a message today for protesters around the country. >> become a part of the solution. serve your communities. don't be a part of the problem. we're hiring. we're hiring. get off that protest line and put an application in. we'll put you in your neighborhood and we will help you resolve some of the problems you're protesting about. >> ifill: president obama will travel to dallas tomorrow for a citywide interfaith service, and meet with victims' families. he'll be joined by vice president biden, as well as former president george w. bush, and his wife laura. later, dallas officials announced funerals for the five officers will begin on wednesday. we'll return to dallas-- and to the newly recharged national debate over policing and race-- after the news summary. >> woodruff: there's been yet another deadly incident with police-- this time in michigan.
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two bailiffs were shot dead today at a courthouse in st. joseph, 200 miles west of detroit. the local sheriff says the gunman was killed, as well. a deputy was wounded, along with one other person, and the complex was put on lockdown. >> ifill: republican presidential candidate donald trump called today for greater support for police-- labeling himself "the law and order candidate." trump campaigned in virginia beach, virginia, and addressed the sniper killing of the officers in dallas. >> the destruction of our country as we know it. it's time for our hostility against our police and against all members of law enforcement to end and end immediately, right now. >> ifill: trump also talked about killings of black men by
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police, and said, "everyone will be protected equally and justly without prejudice." meanwhile, democrat hillary clinton's campaign confirmed primary rival bernie sanders will appear with her in new hampshire tomorrow. >> woodruff: the race to be britain's next prime minister ended abruptly today. ruling conservatives formally chose home secretary theresa may to be their leader after her sole remaining rival, andrea leadsom, dropped out of the running. may called for unity, and laid out her priorities-- starting with heeding voters' wishes to quit the european union. >> brexit means brexit, and we're going to make a success of it. second: we need to unite our country, and third: we need a strong, new, positive vision for the future of our country >> woodruff: may will be the second woman to lead britain, after margaret thatcher-- and she won't have to wait long. after today's turn of events,, prime minister david cameron announced he will step down on
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wednesday. >> ifill: in south sudan, the president and vice president called for a cease-fire, after five days of renewed fighting between their forces. thousands fled the capital-- juba-- fearing the civil war that ended last year, is resuming. government forces attacked a u.n. peacekeeping base and a camp sheltering civilians. at least two u.n. peacekeepers from china and a local u.n. staffer were killed. >> woodruff: the united states will send another 560 troops to iraq. it's the second increase in three months, and is aimed at helping the iraqis recapture mosul from the islamic state group-- also known as isis or isil. defense secretary ash carter announced the move in baghdad today, where he met with u.s. commanders and prime minister haider al-abadi. >> at every step in this campaign, we've generated and seized additional opportunities to hasten isil's lasting defeat. and with these additional u.s. forces i'm describing today,
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will bring unique capabilities to the campaign and provide critical support to the iraqi forces at a key moment in the fight. >> woodruff: the troop increase will bring the total u.s. deployment in iraq to more than 4,600. >> ifill: back in this country: upbeat economic data helped wall street. the dow jones industrial average gained 80 points to close near 18,227. the nasdaq rose almost 32 points, and the s&p 500 added seven, to finish at a record high. >> woodruff: and, national basketball superstar tim duncan is calling it a career, after 19 years with the san antonio spurs and five championships. he's considered one of the greatest power forwards ever, and has long been the face of the franchise. with him, the team never missed the playoffs. also today: jordan spieth became the latest top golfer to withdraw from the olympics in brazil, citing the zika virus. >> ifill: still to come on the
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newshour: a black dallas police officer's message to other police officers and to president obama. it's politics monday-- what to expect in the week leading up to the republican nominating convention, nato's tentative support for ukraine against russia, and much more. >> woodruff: the past week has underscored just how deep some of the dividing lines are in the country, and none more so than when it comes to law enforcement and criminal justice. african-american police are walking an especially difficult tightrope. hari sreenivasan spoke this weekend with lieutenant thomas glover, he's the president of the black police associate of greater dallas. >> sreenivasan: what's happened to this city in the last couple of days? >> i don't know. i think it's symptomatic of a move that may be sweeping the
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country. it's symbolic of people crying out to get the people in charge to listen to them, and i think we will have to listen this time. >> sreenivasan: these were your fellow officers. these are people you served on the force with, your friends. >> yes. one of them was a subordinate of mine for about a year, three years ago, and i know him and love him dearly, and, again, i am extremely staidenned -- saddened by the fact that five officers lost their lives in the city of dallas, and it took this to get attention to a problem that people have been screaming about for years, violence toward the police is not the answer, it has never been the answer, and it will never be the answer. >> sreenivasan: are the concerns of african-american communities in the united states right now against police departments and how the police are treating them, are they
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legitimate? >> yes, i think so, definitely. i would be a fool to sit here and deny that. i have been pulled over and profiled. i used to own a vehicle that had 22-inch rims, totally black, blacked out with dark, tinted windows, and over the four-year period i drove it, i probably got stopped half a dozen times, and most of it was five, six, eight blocks from my church. when you state that they are not legitimate, people want to paint you as being anti-police, anti-law enforcement. well, i'm pro police, i'm pro-law enforcement, i'm anti-police misconduct. i am anti-police mistreatment. i am anti-police discrimination. when there is misconduct, the officer needs to be, i'll use the word "crucified," because when one officer, whether it be
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in a small town in new jersey or a major city on the west coast or a mid-sized city in central united states, anytime an officer commits misconduct, it reflects what i have to deal with, what almost a million other police officers have to deal with around the country. >> sreenivasan: when you see a video or videos like the ones that came out this week, as a member of the african-american community, that could have been a member of your family, what goes through you. >> i'm appalled that it happened. i'll be honest, i didn't cry, the first one i saw in baton rouge. i was very concerned. but the second i saw in minnesota, i was sitting on my couch at home and i began to cry because i knew it was symbolic of a major problem we have in this country. as an african-american police officer, every day you serve,
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it's almost like you're serving two masters. i hate to be so straightforward -- many people expect us from the blue side, and i mean law enforcement, to be quiet, to walk a tight rope and to just be indifferent. on the other hand, in your community, you are expected to make a difference. i know in all my years i've heard it, and now i have people calling me saying, improver, we told you so. you see it? a guy got shot in the back running away from a police officer, and he never would have been in trouble had no someone covertly recorded it on a cell phone video, and all i can do is say, yeah, you're right. we become adept at doing both of them very well. we do the police job extremely well, and we live in our community extremely well, but sometimes and often as many as when you talk to african-american police officers, it's one of the most
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grueling and taxing things you can do as a human, and you saw it in a video that went viral on facebook this week where the african-american mother, who was a member of a police department in ohio somewhere near cleveland, a seven-minute video of her screaming and she is vehemently and emphatically denouncing the fact that she thinks very poorly, and i do, too, of someone who polices our community, whether they be black, pink, purple or green and are so full of fear, so full of fear that they mistreat people. >> sreenivasan: when the president comes, what do you want to say to him? what do you want him to do? >> mr. president, do the right thing. i'm telling you as a 35-year african-american police officer that there are problems in the way we police in the black community, and i think you need to take that charge, mr. president, an do whatever is necessary to incite congress to pass laws that would allow us to
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rid the law enforcement and the police profession of these type of people. >> woodruff: now, we get several views about this moment. the dividing lines and calls on all sides for change. kasim reed is the mayor of atlanta, and has been dealing with protests throughout the weekend. the reverend jesse jackson, founder and president of the rainbow push coalition, and one of the country's most well-known civil rights leaders. deray mckesson, an activist and a co-founder of black lives matter, he was arrested and released after protests in baton rouge this weekend. and julian zelizer, a professor of history at princeton university, he is the author of "the fierce urgency of now," a book about the battles over civil rights and the great society. we welcome all of you to the program. let me start with you deray mckesson. listening to -- we just heard from lieutenant thomas glover in
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dallas. how divide is this country, based on what you've seen there in louisiana over the weekend? where are we right now? >> so i don't think any of the division or the tension is new. what is new is that we're finally having a public conversation about this stuff. so when we think about the protests over the last 22 months, we force the issues of race, criminal justice to the forefront, specifically focus on police violence. i'm hopeful more police officers and police chiefs and unions will come out acknowledging the culture of the police departments are broken and there has to be change. the police don't get to operate under a shadow justice system and we can live in a world where police don't kill people. >> woodruff: mayor kasim reed, you were dealing with protesters in atlanta over the weekend. what did you see? and did you see these conversations going on across the country and in your city making a difference right now? >> what i saw was an expression
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of grief and pain and frustration that needed to be addressed, and i saw people's first amendment rights needed to be respected. we had 15,000 protesters since thursday evening through today, and i couldn't be prouder of our law enforcement officials, the atlanta police department and the georgia state patrol. we've had peaceful protests. we have had minimal damage to property, and i think that we have had respect on both sides of the conversation, and we've had less than 25 people arrested. we take great pride in atlanta in being the home of dr. martin luther king and others in the united states like ambassador andrew young and congressman john lewis, and that's the way we approach the protest and it made the difference in how the weekend turned out.
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>> woodruff: reverend jesse jackson, from the perspective you have from going back to the civil rights movement of the 1960s, how do you look on the protests of today and how much progress do you see having been made? >> well, the protests are very legitimate. we have seen that we matter. when trayvon martin is killed and the killer walks away, when rodney king is beaten on his own camera and those beaten walk away and garner is killed and they walk away. there is a lack of consequences, and that's a parent. there's a combination, not just police. the federation of police who control the discipline as well as states' attorneys and judges, the whole judicial system has come down on us and it's not right or fair.
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the protests are legitimate. i will only say violence takes away our authority. we have the moral high road, and keep that right hoed. >> woodruff: julian zelizer, are you watching this as well? you have written about this a great deal. do you see the country coming together in any regard at this point? or do we still have a long way to go before that happens? >> we have a long way to go. we're in a very divisive, political moment right now, and one of the possibilities is the response to this is not to find solutions to the problems of policing that we've seen but to move in a very different direction. 1968, richard nixon pushed the country toward la law and order rather than reforming the criminal justice system, and there is a possibility we see the same thing happening today. so i think the divisions are real, deep, and i think it's not unlike some of what we saw in the late '60s. >> woodruff: reverend jackson.
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it's not just policing poverty. we would ask for a white house conference on policing but also on poverty, the plan for reconstruction. changing -- you need a shoe that fits the foot. our poverty is twice the national average, number one in mortality and life expectancy. we've not recovered from the economic crisis yet. we need a reconstruction. >> woodruff: let me use that as an opportunity to turn back to deray mckesson and ask you, what is it that the "black lives matter" movement, as you see it, is looking for? are you looking for specifically police reform, and where does it fit on the spectrum between that and the much bigger goals reverend jackson is talking about? >> so reverend jackson is right,
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that there are so many things that we need to focus on. i think what is true that what got people on the streets in august of 2014, when the movement was born, was the death of mike brown. there is something visceral about the violence of police in that it continues to be something police organize around and it's central. people are doing incredible work around making sure we close the racial wealth gap, on education, that that work continues, and that's the beauty of the movement in a sense. there's no one, two, or three founders of the movement. i'm not a founder of any space but i am one of many people doing work in the space and we see so many people now finding their voice. we saw the protesters in atlanta beautifully raising issues. it is rooted in violence now. there are people who have done work around the racial wealth gap and education and so many other things.
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>> woodruff: mayor reed, we're hearing there is a long list of goals of many different kinds and we're hearing about a movement that's nor decentralized than what we saw during the civil rights movements of the '60s. does that mean it's more successful or not? >> i think it's likely to be successful because, despite the fact that the country is in a tough time, we continue to make forward movement. so, for example, in the city of atlanta, we have had our officers have biased training, so one of the issues that "black lives matter" members and others have raised is this bias that many of us are frequently unaware of. the population of our police department really mirrors our city's population. that's another issue that has been repeatedly raised. last year, in 1.6 million interactions with the public, our police officers fired their
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weapons less than ten times. many of the changes and reforms that we have experienced is because we are actually listening to the protesters and to others and trying to respond. we have a citizen review board with subpoena power. so the point i'm making is that it is a very tough time, but leaders who are forward thinking and want america to be a better version of itself are listening very closely and trying to move without having to respond to a terrible tragedy. >> woodruff: i want to ask julian zelizer, is there enough listening going on, though? because there's a lot of conversation over the weekend about there are different conversations going on in the white community and black community and together, but is there enough talking going on among people who may disagree and may come together as a result of what they're hearing
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from each other? >> well, listen, the "black lives matter" movement has made incredible progress in bringing these issues on to the table, combined with the realities people see through the social media. but we do live in a very fragmented, political environment, where, before this issue, people don't listen to each other. they watch media that reflects their own positions, and they even commute -- have communities with like-minded individuals, and the parties are very, very polarized. so i do worry about some of the limits that the movement might have. i'll just add the kerner commission in 1968 put forth a lot of these issues, the black power movement put these issues on the table and, unfortunately, our political system didn't respond and that's a warning of what could pap hood. >> woodruff: i want to ask
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each one of you in a few seconds, what do you want to hear from president obama tomorrow when he goes to dallas and how much difference will that make? reverend jackson? >> first of all, the the killer did not covl out to have the civil rights movement. that's alien to the way we function. secondly, trump has thrown down his a gunlet saying law and order, trying to imitate nixon. we must choose reconciliation. i hope president obama will address the issue of jobs, jobs training and economic reconstruction and race disparity. race disparity is real. it is real and it's growing. >> woodruff: all right, we are, unfortunately, out of time. we hope to come back to all of you in the very near future. reverend jackson, mayor kasim reed, julian zelizer, deray mckesson, we thank you all. >> thank you.
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>> ifill: public debates automatically turn political as the presidential campaigns enter their pre-conventional final stretch. joining us-- as they do every monday-- to discuss the issues that are shaping voters' choices are: tamara keith of npr and amy walters of "the cook political report." let's compare and assess what we've seen happen in the last several days. it's been an amazing period in our nation, and we've seen the way donald trump handled it, we saw the way hillary clinton handled it. how do you compare those two things, amy? >> well, i think how -- i think there is how they dealt with it in the immediate aftermath -- both non-political, both called for unity and ratcheting down the ret rhetoric. today, though, you saw donald
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trump talk a little bit more about this. if you had to pick the difference of how donald trump and hillary clinton is talking about this, hillary clinton talked about bringing america together. that's been the theme of her campaign is bringing americans together. what donald trump talked about is how law and order is much more central to his campaign. so one is talking about the togetherness of americans, the other is saying the only way to keep us from falling apart is to have strong law and order. it sounded very reminisce sent of another republican presidential candidate from 1968 which was richard nixon. >> ifill: tam, it's not insignificant where hillary clinton chose to make the conference. she was speak at the african-american episcopal church. we saw another member of the church in charleston. i was struck when she said, as
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white people, with we need to start to listen to black people, which should not be a shocking idea, but somehow it was taken as a big moment. >> and the other interesting thing about that is it's not the first time she's talk about that. it's not the first time she's talked about talking to white people about their privilege or about listening, about walking in the shoes of other people. this has actually been a theme of her campaign for months now, but somehow, in that place, in this moment in time, it had a different resonance than it's had before. it got noticed. >> ifill: tomorrow, president obama goes to dallas and we get to see him be consoler-in-chief again. who's going to run with the candidates? we have conventions coming right up. >> i'm terrible when it comes to predicting who the
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vice president is going to b. i'm always wrong about. this part of it is it's very difficult to assess from here, and partly because we get so caught up in the poll and the strategy and who's going to fill the gaps and, at the end of the day, i think this is sometimes more important than anything else is the rapport, the chemistry that they have between each other, i think that comes across and is even more important in this day and age where they're going to be together and shot at every single angle, live, streamed, snapchated, on television together. that will come across and be very important. the other piece we'll see as the candidates are trying out their vps on the trail and television, who succeeds under the sharp microscope and pot light. >> ifill: donald trump appeared with chris christie. not too long ago with mike pence from indiana. he's trotting them all out. is hillary clinton doing the same thing or just waiting to
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see what he does? >> on thursday, she is campaigning with senator tim kaine of virginia. they will be in northern virginia together. >> ifill: won't be the first time she's done that. >> if you're looking at the wager lists, he's at the top. who knows if he's actually at the top of her list, but in terms of the parlor game we're all playing, he's near the top of the list. others are elizabeth warren, from senator from massachusetts who hillary clinton campaigned with and tom perez, the labor secretary, and probably five others i'm not mentioning. >> ifill: that's what's happening with republicans, putting out a whole list of people who may or may not be vetted now, but are there other goals for this convention coming up? >> the most important goal for donald trump is to make it at least appear as if there's some unity in this party. and the first hurd he has to overcome is this week as a rules committee gets together. there's talk about there's going
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to be something of a never trump moment where they can unbind delegates. i don't think and am pretty convinced that's not going to happen. but until that is actually over, the talk will not die down. once he overcomes that hurdle, the next is what does this convention look like? there obviously are a lot who won't show up including the last sitting republican presidents, the governor or the 2012 nominee for the party? but i don't think that's the bigger problem for donald trump. i think his challenge has long been he's done very well in a primary that was very narrow focused to a certain group of voters. can he make the case to a broader group of voters in this convention. this is his second chance he's getting when people are tuning in to see has donald trump turned the corner from primary to general candidate. >> ifill: tomorrow if new hampshire on the democratic side bernie sanders, finally shows up and decides to, we
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think the "e" word will be used, endorse hillary clinton. >> yes, the word from democratic sources with knowledge of the negotiations between the sanders and clinton campaigns is that this is, in fact, an endorsement event. bernie sanders and hillary clinton will be campaigning together at a rally in portsmouth, new hampshire. this has been weeks and weeks in the making. one source tells me that the campaign manager for hillary clinton and the campaign manager for bernie sanders have been either texting or talking on the phone every sing daily since june 7th. >> ifill: that's so high school. (laughter) what about the platform committee? they met and bernie sanders got a couple of things. >> bernie sanders got a lot of what he was looking for. the platform includes a $15 minimum wage, for instance in. the last week or so, hillary clinton's made a number of policy concessions and moved closer to bernie sanders, made announcements on healthcare as well as college affordability.
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so bernie sanders, you know, this endorsement isn't for free. bernie sanders has been pushing hillary clinton, and you can expect that to continue beyond tomorrow. >> woodruff: to the extent platforms matter, which they don't. (laughter) >> good for him, he got a lot of what he wanted. the most fascinating thing about this primary is not how sanders pushed hillary clinton. it's been how far she moved from the other clinton's legacy. she is really not running as a bill clinton part, two she's running as a hillary clinton and did something jeb bush and others did not do, which is she moved where the party went, jeb bush decided to stay where his party was in the early 21s 21st century. >> ifill: we'll see you next week. amy walter, tamera keith, thank you both. >> you're welcome.
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>> woodruff: stay with us. coming up on the newshour: we launch our series-- "the end of aids"-- starting with a look at an ambitious initiative in san francisco. but first, we reported all last week on the fault lines between russia and the west over the russian-backed war in ukraine and moscow's new, aggressive posture against nato. leaders of the north atlantic treaty alliance met over the weekend in warsaw, and we go to john yang for an update. >> reporter: with me now to discuss what came out of the nato summit and the future of the alliance is esther brimmer. she has served in various roles at the state department, and was most recently assistant secretary of state for international organization affairs. she's now with the council on foreign relations and teaches at george washington university. esther brimmer, thanks for joining us. this summit, the president said it was the most important moment for n.a.t.o. since the cold war. what were the big decisions that came out of this meeting?
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>> indeed, this was an extremely important summit. this was an opportunity for the leaders to demonstrate that there was real support and backing, concrete actions to support the eastern allies of the alliance. what we saw were that the united states and other important leaders within the alliance are showing that they will commit troops again to europe. we're seeing the deployment of battalions in those countries that are most threatened by the new tensions with russia. and it meant that the alliance still matters, despite the turbulence created by the brexit vote in the european union. >> the troops sent to eastern europe, troops once again deployed by n.a.t.o. to moscow. this is a return to the original purpose of the alliance. >> indeed. the alliance is both a political and military alliance to defend the territory of the n.a.t.o.
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allies, and, once again, we see we need to have military presence in europe increased. as we know, there is always been a u.s. presence within europe, which was reduced after the cold war. however, now we see that, particularly the baltic states and others, are concerned about their security, recognizing the threats made by russia against those non-n.a.t.o. countries to their east. importantly, we see, though, this is a multi-lateral commitment. we see countries of four nations will lead the effort to a station of rotating battalions in the eastern part of the n.a.t.o. countries. so, again, the united states but other countries, too, are part of the respono show that the alliance as a whole is committed to the territories of those countries most under pressure. >> you spoke also about the british decision to leave the european union. what's that done to n.a.t.o.
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>> we know there were important institutions in the relationship, the treaty has been tundz pin toughing the relationship. but the european union has an important role in other types oversecurity including border issues and others and the relationship between those countries are also part of transatlantic security. the united kingdom is the lynch pin, both members of n.a.t.o. and the european union. they have an important role to play, but they have a sovereign choice about what they were going to do. the vote for brexit means there is a greater interest in the united kingdom in demonstrating their support for the transatlantic alliance and showing they want to continue to play an important role as a key nation within the north atlantic treaty organization. >> and within europe, could n.a.t.o. emerge as the unifying force if britain leaves the e.u.? the n.a.t.o nate.
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>> the n.a.t.o. alliance is to provide for the defense of the allies who are part of it, yet has a complementary role to the european union. but n.a.t.o. will also continue to have its political role, an n alliance of values based on the political values we sure. the united kingdom will be important in expressing those values and will want to demonstrate their leadership in the alliance and support for the transatlantic relationship. >> with the economic uncertainty of leaving the european union, is it possible that great britain will no longer keep up -- it's one of the few countries meeting the obligation in defense spending for n.a.t.o. members. is there a danger that will stop? >> there will be a great deal of attention toward seeing whether the united kingdom will be able to maintain their financial commitment to the alliance. as they've indicated, of the 28 members of the alliance, only four met the commitment made i
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lorchgly at the last summit held in the united kingdom in wales which the allies committed to paying 2% toward the alliance. only four countries meet that. the united kingdom is one of them. although the cameron government did institute significant reductions in public spending in recent years, they did recently meet the 2% standard. i think most allies are hoping they will continue to do so but will be under economic pressure. it will be a concern. >> more interesting days ahead for europe. esther brimmer, thanks for being with us. >> thank you very much. >> ifill: now we kick off a special series about efforts to try to end the aids epidemic. leaders and researchers from around the globe will be meeting at the international aids conference in south africa next week.
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one major focus: how to stop the epidemic. but with no vaccine or cure in sight, how likely is that? this week, we're looking at efforts around the world. we start in san francisco, where we've followed people for the past six months. correspondent william brangham and producer jason kane reported this series, with support of the pulitzer center on crisis reporting. >> reporter: san francisco's gay pride events went off this summer like they usually do: loud and colorful and celebratory. ♪ but there's additional reason to celebrate. san francisco-- one of the cities where the aids epidemic first emerged, and one that suffered terribly from it-- has now launched the country's most ambitious campaign to control it. it's called "getting to zero." luis canales is a living example of that campaign. canales is h.i.v. positive. he got infected having unprotected sex with another man
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three years ago, but canales was tested and then started on h.i.v. treatment immediately after diagnosis. >> yeah, right away, and i think it was the next day i came in and started my meds. >> that, as a physician is my goal, to keep people on therapy for their own good. >> reporter: steven deeks is canales' doctor. >> luis, how ya doin? >> reporter: this approach is called "rapid"-- and deeks says, the sooner the virus can be stopped with anti-retroviral drugs the better, but it's not just for the patient. >> from a public health perspective-- and i think this is what's really driving a lot of interest in the rapid program -- someone's on therapy, they can't pass the virus to other people. >> reporter: dr. diane havlir of u.c. san francisco pushed the city to embrace rapid treatment years before other cities did. she's also one of the architects of the entire "getting to zero" plan. she says the idea that treatment should wait-- because of cost,
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or side effects, or fear people won't stick with it-- is outdated. >> if you have heart attack, you do need to take medicines for your heart, in most cases, for life. we don't say, "how do you feel about this? do you want to go home?" we say, "you need to start these medicines now. this is a serious condition." it's the same with h.i.v. >> reporter: widespread testing and treatment for h.i.v. is considered the single best way to curtail this epidemic. treatment prevents infected people from progressing to aids, and it reduces the likelihood that they'll infect others. the "getting to zero" campaign wants to cut those new h.i.v. infections in the city by 90% by 2020. that would mean cutting them from 300 a year now, down to about 30. they also want to cut h.i.v. deaths by a similar percentage, from about 150 a year today down to just 15. they want to get both down to zero by 2030. of course, the best way to stop h.i.v. is to stop people getting infected in the first place, so san francisco is aggressively promoting its prevention strategy.
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jason lloyd is a 41-year-old gay man in san francisco. >> your first and last name? >> jason lloyd. >> reporter: he doesn't have h.i.v. and, to stay that way, back in january, he was about to start taking what's called "prep"-- "pre-exposure prophylaxis." it's a daily dose of the drug truvada that will greatly reduce his chance of infection if he's exposed to h.i.v. >> there is always in the back of my head when i go to get tested, is the test going to be. is the test going to come back positive? because i do have risky activity, although it might be low risk. still risky. >> reporter: truvada was approved as a prevention tool by the f.d.a. in 2012. despite its proven ability to prevent h.i.v., it's been very controversial, and hasn't been widely embraced elsewhere. some fear those who take it will engage in riskier behavior, though there's very little evidence of that occurring. right now, an estimated 6,000 people in san francisco are taking truvada for h.i.v. prevention, and jason lloyd is joining their ranks.
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>> so i'll start taking tonight. so, we'll see. >> reporter: of course, truvada is for those who are uninfected. keeping those who are infected healthy and linked to care is another main thrust of san francisco's plan. max ruben works for san francisco's public health department. for months, he's been making regular visits to see an h.i.v. positive man named barry stover. >> barry. morning bud, how's it going? >> i found out i had h.i.v. i was ready to kill myself, but i didn't. >> reporter: stover was diagnosed in 2015 after years of living on the streets, addicted to drugs. he's still using today, and the first few times we met him, he was supposed to be taking his daily h.i.v medications, but it wasn't clear that was happening. >> i try to take 'em, but i just don't like taking pills. >> reporter: after their visit, ruben walks stover to one of the city's health clinics. with these regular visits, they hope he'll be more consistent
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with his medications. >> no one is proposing that every single person with h.i.v. gets a daily visit. however, if we want to fully control the epidemic, we are going to need to do that for some people, and it's completely justified. it's either pay now or pay later. >> reporter: a few blocks away, kenneth grosenbach and his girlfriend michele campbell are trying to stay on their medications as well he's h.i.v. positive, she isn't. because he's taking his meds, she's far less likely to get infected. she's also taking prep, which gives her even more protection. its hard to convey just how brutal kenny grosenbach's life has been so far. born to a teenage rape victim, he was abandoned when he was ten. he says he's been selling sex and addicted to drugs for the last 20 years grosenbach admits he's had trouble in the past staying on his h.i.v. medication, but now he says he's got a reason to stay alive. >> what encouraged me to get my medicine, and start my medicine, is that i found somebody that i really care about.
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i found somebody that cares about me. >> now that we're together and we want to start a normal life, we need to start doing normal things. >> reporter: to stop the aids epidemic, two years ago, the u.n. set an ambitious goal, and it's one that we're seeing implemented here in san francisco: it's to get 90% of h.i.v. positive people tested, 90% of them onto treatment, and 90% of them to have their virus fully suppressed. whether that's achievable, and whether that'll stem the epidemic is still an open question. the challenge of hitting those targets became clearer when we returned to the city three months later. >> what is the reason to see the pharmacist tomorrow? >> because i have zero medicines. yeah, i need my medicine. >> reporter: kenny grosenbach is now homeless-- he'd just been kicked out of his place, and he's stopped taking his h.i.v. medication. >> i have to say that these few months have been hard. i went completely backwards. i am not really being toouch on the responsible end for my
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meds or for my relationship. i am just trying to make it day by day. >> reporter: "science" magazine's jon cohen-- who's covered h.i.v./aids for more than 25 years, and who helped us report this series -- says kenny grosenbach is a testament to just how hard it's going to be to achieve the u.n.'s targets. >> who are these people who are so hard to test? who are so hard to link to care? and who are so hard to get suppressed? kenny's that guy. he's really tough on every level for the healthcare system. he knows his status. linking him to care, he's been linked to care, but, keeping him virally suppressed? well, he has a really hard time staying on his meds. and it ties back to housing, right? i mean, this is a guy who's living on the streets. >> reporter: but for most people, the "getting to zero" campaign has been working. this summer, six months after we first met him, jason lloyd is still taking the prep drug,
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truvada. he says some of his friends take it too, they help remind him to take his, and it's all becoming very normal-seeming. we caught up with him as he was getting made-up for one of his drag performances. his stage name is "beyonda," "beyonda mazing" and contrary to the critics' fears about taking truvada, the pill hadn't turned him into a wild, risk-taker. in fact, he'd been having a bit of a dry spell. >> i'm actually having less sex on truvada than before. i feel more like a truvada monk than a truvada whore. >> reporter: luis canales has also been taking his medication consistently, and he's had no side effects. >> meds every day, whenever, um, any of my doctors need to see me, i go in and see them. across town at barry stover's place, more good news. after struggling to stick with his meds, stover's been doing
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it. >> i'm undetectable, so. >> reporter: you're undetectable? >> yeah. that's what, what, my, my doctor said, so. >> reporter: congratulations. >> yeah. >> reporter: that's a big deal! >> yeah. >> reporter: but, things just keep spiraling down for kenny grosenbach and michelle campbell. they are both homeless now-- she was kicked out of her place-- and both are completely off their medications. h.i.v. is likely replicating rapidly in kenny's immune cells, and because campbell is off truvada, she's at high risk of infection. >> it seems like since we've been out on the streets, getting high has been like the priority, just 'cause... >> ...you don't have to feel at all. >> yeah. i really just wanna get off the drugs, and start taking medication, and start living our life and actually be happy, 'cause this is miserable out here. >> reporter: san francisco is still a few years away from its "getting to zero" goals, and
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despite the struggles they face, dr. diane havlir remains optimistic they'll get there. >> the worst thing that you can do is fail, but if you don't try at all, you're never going to have the chance of succeeding. so obstacles and barriers for me are just part of the journey and don't deter me. >> reporter: even as the city cheers its advances, the difficulty of bringing the aids epidemic to an end are obvious. public health officials say after nearly 35 years since the epidemic surfaced, the world has never had this many proven tools, so close at hand to fight h.i.v. but putting those tools to work for everyone remains the challenge going forward. for the pbs newshour, i'm william brangham in san francisco. >> woodruff: tough to watch. we continue our series tomorrow looking at the challenges in atlanta, where black gay men are among the hardest-hit. >> reporter: the alarm bells rarely stop in the inpatient and
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isolation wards at grady memorial hospital. here in atlanta, just down the street from c.d.c. in 2016, in the age of life-saving anti- retroviral drugs, hundreds of people are still dying every year from aids. >> woodruff: tune in all this week for our series "the end of aids?". >> ifill: on the newshour online right now: iconic images and stories of the dust bowl have helped shape our perceptions of that period of american history, but a new study challenges our understanding of all that followed. that and more is on our website: pbs.org/newshour. >> woodruff: tune in later tonight on "charlie rose:" columnist charles blow on how events in dallas has affected the issues of race and reform.
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